[Steve]

Hi Newt,

Again I'm very appreciative of your time and expertise.

I live in southern Michigan and yes, I've used every combination of searches including heirloom(s). There's a ton of info on the varietal description of black raspberries and so forth, but nothing in the way of retail sales of these older berries. There are some "wild" black raspberries but my guess is they are probably Mungers.

As for the Canadian & European retail vendors who do berries, a few have the Haut variety but according to their websites, they can't ship these to America. I don't know if it's a trade agreement issue, an inspection issue, or if its something else.

I have read many of the University Research Centers as you outlined and these sites often list their suppliers with web addresses. The suppliers are either wholesale only "no exceptions" or they sell retail and only have the common black raspberries like Jewel, etc.

I was hoping someone here knows of a nursery who specializes in black raspberries and may have some of the older varieties OR would be willing to sell me some cuttings of these older, now apparently obsolete berries. It would be a sad day indeed if 200+ varieties of black raspberries are now extinct after 100 years and there's less than a dozen or so varieties remaining.

Thank you again, Newt!

Steve

Originally Posted by Newt

Hi Steve,

My mouth is watering as I type this just thinking of these berries! I realize you have been searching, but have you searched with the term:
heirloom black raspberries
heirloom black raspberry

Then you can click on the cached version and quickly scan through the material and see terms highlighted.

I just did a quick google with Haut black raspberry and found this site. I'm including the cached version.
National Gardening Association :: Gardening Articles :: Edibles :: Small Fruits & Berries

I found this:



So I googled: Harry Swartz + Haut raspberry

and found this:
SSan.com: Blackcap Brambles



You might want to contact them and ask if they know where you can purchase plants. You don't say where you live, but if you are in the area where the plants grow as natives, you may be able to find some in the areas they describe and dig some out. I did read on one site they ripen in July instead of August, the way most raspberries do.

At another site I found with a search using:
Haut raspberry retail
Government Investment to Begin Vineland Renaissance

In skimming through that Canadian site they mention Vineland.



Then I searched the site with the word Vineland and found this page about The Vineland Research Station. The contact info was at the bottom.
Government Investment to Begin Vineland Renaissance





You might want to contact Vineland in Canada and ask them for leads to retail nurseries.

Does it help knowing how I searched?

Newt